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Women blamed for sexual, physical abuse they endure

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Published: Monday, September 14, 2009

Updated: Thursday, September 17, 2009 17:09

When I wrote my last column about Ryan Jenkins's alleged murder of his wife, Jasmine Fiore, I got an interesting response online.

Someone believed that Fiore deserved what she got for the way she treated Jenkins. Her behavior was apparently a good reason for her to expect a violent outcome.


News reports said Fiore maintained friendships with several of her former flames and might have had physical relationships with one or more of them.


She should have known better than to cheat on a psychopath, apparently.


News reports also said Fiore repeatedly insulted Jenkins at a poker party the night before her disappearance. She also should have known better than to insult him.


Obviously, this behavior was grounds for her to wind up mutilated in a dumpster, right?


This response shocked me. Not because I do not know that people have these sorts of reactions — I am well aware that they do. But, because people usually do not intimate them, refusing to come right out and say them.


As a culture, we tend to blame women for being the victims of violent crimes. They should know better because men will take advantage of situations to do us harm. We should protect ourselves from them.


I would love to see this attitude change. Women do not deserve to be harassed, stalked, raped, beaten or killed no matter what they have worn, said, imbibed or done. The worst a woman — or anyone — deserves is to be broken up with. If Fiore behaved in a way that was unacceptable to Jenkins, he should have broken off their relationship.


She should not have wound up in a dumpster mutilated to the point where police used the serial numbers on her breast implants to identify her.


I say this not only as a woman but also as a survivor of sexual and physical violence.


I have spent years in therapy trying to figure out what I could have done differently to avoid being raped by the first person I was ever involved with. But, it was not my fault. I was the victim of a predator. Now, I am a survivor.


When I was 14, I was a shy, awkward and unpopular girl. When a 20-year-old man I met at a friend's house paid attention to me, I was over the moon. I did not know how different 14-year-old girls were from 20-year-old men. So, I started dating him, and he started brainwashing me.


He convinced me to lie to my parents about his age, job and schooling. He sent me lavish presents and followed me everywhere I went. The only thing I had done to get his attention was to be in the wrong place at the right time to meet him.


Within a month, the unwanted sexual activity began, and it lasted for almost two years. After the relationship ended, I successfully prosecuted him. He was sentenced to two years in prison for the two years of my life he stole from me.


However, he only served a year and began stalking me upon his release — even showing up at my high school graduation. Luckily, the police department quickly helped me get a restraining order.


As difficult as it was to endure, the most difficult part was and continues to be my father's reaction to the entire situation. He blamed me. He told me that I should have known better. He did not support me prosecuting my abuser and did not come to the trial.


For years, his attitude kept me from healing. It still holds me back. It was something I was unable to resolve with him before he passed away from lung cancer nine years ago. It has taken me much of that time to work toward forgiving him.


Unfortunately, my father held an opinion many hold when dealing with victims and survivors of any kind of violence. He assumed that I must have said, done or worn something that led my abuser to abuse me. My father assumed that a 14-year-old girl was savvy enough about men and sexuality to make her own decisions about her body.


Sadly, he is in the majority, not the minority. I did not do anything that made me deserve the abuse I received. I didn't know my own rights over my body. What my father never understood was that my choice was taken from me. I was powerless. But he blamed me, assuming that I could have done something different.


Fiore did not deserve to die anymore than I deserved two years of sexual abuse. No one deserves rape, violence or death no matter what she has done or to whom she has done it.


Karen Sisk is a Ph.D. student in creative writing. She received her MA in English literature at Wright State.

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chris
Tue Sep 22 2009 22:47
To Amanda - wow - no one says rape is okay. Odd how some are twisting this around - probably the same type that always blame others for their own screwups (non-violent).
Chris
Tue Sep 22 2009 22:03
Remove the gender factor when thinking about this case. Anyone who taunts someone else is "asking" for trouble. Once during my drinking days, I wouldn't take "no" for an answer when the bouncers didn't want me carrying my pizza into a club to grab a cup of coffee. If it had been some drunk jock (instead of an employee) such behaviour would probably have gotten me punched out - although the other guy would have thrown the punch, I'd still accept responsibility for being out of line.

The one who said a woman "needing to cow" to an abuser is emotional abuse is correct (and that's sad), but these posts are about someone who pushed a guy who was unstable, and the author trying to say she had no part in it. My point is it's bad to throw gas on a fire. Had Fiore stayed away from Jenkins and he stalked/came after her, she'd be blameless, but she went back and put herself in a dangerous place.

Your name
Sun Sep 20 2009 12:04
"I'm sorry for women who get hooked up with schleps who won't let them go/will kill them if they try - but I'm sure very few would taunt the abuser in the meantime - there's a big difference between a woman who is scared, doesn't talk back to an abuser, and gets abused anyway, and one who trashes the abusers/eggs him on in front of other people."

By saying this...either way she was being manipulated and abused. The thought that she would have to remain quiet around her abuser in fear of pissing him off...is not fair. That is emotional abuse. That is still manipulation. No one should have to live their life walking on egg shells. You're calling that person an "abuser" already...so therefore that person deserves no justification. If that person is an "abuser" they are the one on the offense, the one on the prowl, the one who is responsible for the abuse. NOT the person who is being abused.

Amanda
Sun Sep 20 2009 11:54
Oh. and one other point to make...

Whether or not I wear a turtle neck and loose fitting jeans, or if I wear a short skirt with tons of cleavage, neither are making it "okay" to rape me. Period.

If I put on a dress that may be considered revealing. I should not have to think to myself, "Okay, well I better be careful tonight because when I wear this dress it means it's okay to rape me!"

Like I said before. Never is rape or abuse to be justified.

now. i choose to dress classy because i don't want to give anyone the wrong impression that i want to go home with them that night. but if i put on something super revealing (which doesn't happen..i'm just imagining) i would not be thinking to myself "i should probably be careful because if i wear this it means it's okay to rape me!"

Amanda
Sun Sep 20 2009 11:38
A lot of people that are commenting on here are forgetting that abuse has a cycle. Jay, do you honestly think when they met and got married that he was truly showing his 'psychopath' tendencies? No, he was probably charming, gentle and witty, which is probably why they got married in the first place. Before he killed her, he had been arrested twice already with battery to her and another girlfriend or ex girlfriend. This is where the cycle of abuse comes along.

1. Complete adoration for each other, both parties are head over heels, perfect (Honeymood Phase)
2. After getting to know each other, tension begins to build...typically jealousy begins to happen
3. Explosion. Whether it's physical, emotional or verbal. It does not matter. There is an explosion.

Then, the cycle begins again. After the punch or name calling or whatever...the abuser becomes that perfect person that they were in the beginning by showering that significant other with gifts and love. Promising to make it better. Promising it will never happen again.

Now I'm sure that someone wants to say something like...well it's their fault for taking the other person back after that situation. When you are in a relationship with someone you had feelings for, and someone you love(d)..you WANT to forgive them and you WANT to believe that it will never happen again.

None of us here know, but maybe Fiore was staying in contact with Jenkins because he was telling her something like, "If you do not tell me where you are, I will kill you." Even though she put him down in public...How many times ddo you think he did that to her before he killed her?! Maybe she felt like she was safe enough in a public place and around people to be able to do that and he would not be able to hurt her when there were people around.

In the end, we will never all know the full story of what happened, but NEVER should murder or abuse be justified. Never. It is a vicious cycle that sucks one in and is nearly impossible to get out without the help of those around. Fiore was probably seeking help from people around her, she TRIED to get out. But when you have one person that wants nothing but you, they will do what they can to get you. And that is scary.

As for Karen's story and the way that Jay says she "allowed" him to do these things. No. For that first month, he was pefect. He flattered her and made her believe that he really truly loved her. In all of this, her abuser KNEW that she was young and naive. He KNEW that she wouldn't understand, and that's why he took advantage of her. It's the cycle of abuse all over again. The honeymoon phase where you believe that person is the love of your life...then tension starts building and in Karen's case, it was the need for sexual things that she was unsure of, then an explosion...which lead to rape and probably verbal abuse. In her case it was even harder for her to get out because no one even knew of her relationship because he had convinced her to lie to those around her.

This is ridiculous that people are saying that Fiore had this coming. No one should have anything like this coming. No one.

Laura
Fri Sep 18 2009 17:32
Karen is extraordinarily brave in posting this. I'm appalled, but not surprised, that posters both male and female feel the need to blame victims in some way. It's a "just world "mindset; people want to believe that if they behave in a certain way, nothing bad will ever happen to them. It's an illusion they need to get over. The person to blame in a rape is the rapist, and anyone of us, male or female, young or old, in a min-skirt or a burkha, is a potential victim.
David
Fri Sep 18 2009 15:45
I agree in part with you Steven that the blame cannot be put solely on either the victim or the abuser.

The blame for the situation arising may be shared by both parties, but ultimately the resulting actions of the abuser can never and should never be blamed on the victim. When a man or woman decides to harm their partner it is their decision and can never be blamed on the other person. No matter how mad someone gets at their partner it is NEVER their right to physically harm the other. Even if that partner is verbally abusive or degrading. The right thing is to end the relationship and walk away.

Saying that, it seems that Jasmine Fiore may have put her self in this situation by belittling & degrading Mark Jenkins in front of his friends. Again this points to my earlier comment about both having some level of mental disturbance. Both seem to be highly volatile, angry, unhappy people who found short lived happiness with each other.

There are deep psychological reasons why people are abusive and why others let themselves be abused. We have to examine the root of the problem if we are to ever fully understand the mechanism that causes abusive relationships.

We are innately animal; driven by instinct, emotion and sexuality. Therefore we have propensities towards anger, rage and jealousy. However, we are also human; learning by observing other humans' actions. Learning this violent behavior from our parents or from other life experiences all combine to create the psyche of a potentially dangerous person.

Your name
Fri Sep 18 2009 04:33
Yes, this is an issue that has horrid effects on women. Yes, this is an issue that has horrid effects on men. I think the major problem with any argument on abuse is trying to single out one specific category as either abusers or victims. Folks, nobody likes it but abuse is unfortunately an ugly part of how we are both male and female. This is in NO way trying to make any form of abuse something that should be tolerated but so much generalizing goes on in both the comments and this article that I think all involved missed the boat. From the women "asking for it" logic and the idea that this is a man's primal nature to generalizing that a majority of men believe that a 14 year old does know what they want sexually, all these are disheartening. Abuse is a terrible thing but I think before anyone, male of female, tries to make an argument pointing blame in any direction we ought to step back and think about this as a human issue rather than using this to start a battle of the sexes. Men abuse. Women abuse. Humans abuse. Let's forget about the genders, the fact that any person has been abused is a terrible thing. Will anything change? Clearly not trying to pit women against men. Already in this article and the comments there is already a divide instead of a dialogue on combating abuse. I have not seen one person make the argument for abuse so maybe we need to try to not divide on how we interpret an example but come together knowing it is wrong.
Your name
Fri Sep 18 2009 01:05
To Steven: I hope I'm not presenting "all or nothing". If people wish to engage in risks these days (whether excessive speeding, rock climbing, picking up/getting together with strangers at bars, hitch-hiking, etc) that is really their business, but they should recognize there can be repercussions. It's like playing Russian Roulette - some may load more bullets in the cylinder. Again - there's no need to be paranoid, but be careful. I'm sorry for women who get hooked up with schleps who won't let them go/will kill them if they try - but I'm sure very few would taunt the abuser in the meantime - there's a big difference between a woman who is scared, doesn't talk back to an abuser, and gets abused anyway, and one who trashes the abusers/eggs him on in front of other people. Consider the same thing between two men and two women who aren't "romantically" involved. The world is not a perfect place - this has to be accepted and dealt with.

It's an extreme example, but this discussion reminds me of that movie with Bruce Willis standing naked in Harlem wearing a signboard that says "I HATE N---ERS" - of course, the person who beat/killed him would be to blame, but Bruce would bear some responsibility if he chose to do such a thing on his own.

Steven
Thu Sep 17 2009 23:24
There seems to be an "all or nothing" assignment of blame going on here. In other words, most comments assume that only the men are to blame, or only the women are to blame. In the very first comment Tim says, "you also need to take some kind of accountability here." I agree with this. If we argue that the women are to blame, we deny men their human-ness and, as has been discussed, make them mindless, instinct-driven, hormonal animals. I am going to take a risk here and say that, as bad as the violent act is, to declare a woman innocent of any collusion in most of these heinous situations is wrong. If we assign one hundred percent the blame to the men, we take away the human-ness of the woman as well. She becomes a mindless, instinct-driven victim.

What I have written above, I am sure, will receive the same reaction any other comment assigning any blame at all to the woman: I will be called backwards and old-fashioned, or ignorant, or even stupid. It is much easier to say that the rapist or abuser is completely to blame and it sounds better. But I can only logically conclude that in most situations both parties deserve at least part of the blame.

cece
Thu Sep 17 2009 22:44
i read your article karen and i was disgusted to see some of the comments made in regard to this article. every woman that reads this and some of the response should be mad as hell and the men should take another step back because the women they talk so bad about could be a friend or worse a sister.abuse is the reason so many women are killed each year and the main reason they are killed is they try to get out of the relationship.a victim is never to blame this is the way an abuser holds his victim there excuse is you made me do it you made me beat you.abuse does not mean love or you asked for it because the way you dress .abuse is about control and it happens every day in a lot of homes it happens to the young , the old, our sister ,our mother and abuse should never be excused .you were very brave to write this moving article and i know you will continue to heal.
chris
Thu Sep 17 2009 16:41
I agree with NiceGuy and David. There are plenty of nice guys and girls out there, but the chances of finding one in a bar or strip joint is probably low - that's why online dating services took off (some of which yielded similar problems). Fiore/Jenkins formed a relationship around drinking/partying which doesn't have basis (got married after a few days???). And David hit it on the head - these two were probably the worst couple that could get together - Jenkins being a controlling/possessive, jealous type, and Fiore being a "girl about town" that likely wouldn't be satisfied with one guy for very long. I have a hard time understanding why Jenkins didn't dump her - if some b---- was dissing me in front of people, I wouldn't want to be around her. Same with her - the guy hit her/knocked her in a pool and she went back to him. They were definitely a volatile mix.

Another example of this topic is Annie Le. A lab technician who ended up alone with a psychopath at work in a secured building on a college campus. I saw one post saying she might have contributed to her murder because she didn't keep her lab rat cages clean after Clark brought it up several times. A late article portrays Clark as a control freak who considered the lab his domain, and he might have gone off because of something she did/didn't do. Good thing she did (that I've read women should do if attacked) was scratching the guy to leave defensive marks on him and get DNA under her fingernails - though such behaviour might set the guy off more. I feel so bad for her - nothing but good reports about her.

Also parallels (clark/jenkins)
"But according to reports, local Branford authorities investigated Clark in 2003 after a girlfriend claimed she had been forced to have sex with him and feared what Clark might do if she broke up with him."
"Annmarie Goodwin, a woman who was Clark's neighbor in Branford, tells ABC's "Good Morning America" that Clark was "very controlling of his girlfriend. He wouldn't let her talk to me, or anything."

These guys sound like they're cut from the same cloth. Watch out for them - Bundy was supposed to be a real charmer...

Ashley
Thu Sep 17 2009 15:12
Wow. I think the comments speak louder than the article. People (men and women) really don't understand what is being said here.
To Cathryn: for some reason your comment bothered me more than most. I couldn't help but notice that throughout you described the victim one of two ways depending on what you were trying to argue at the time. You either referred to her as a FOURTEEN YEAR OLD GIRL (all caps to emphasize her youth and naiveté) when you wanted to blame her parents or you referred to her as a woman when you wanted to blame her. She can't be both at the same time. She's either an unknowing girl or matured woman who according to you should "know better." The point being made is that no matter what, SHE nor her parents, are to blame for some sick man's deeds.
David
Thu Sep 17 2009 15:11
Their* I just want to make it clear that they shared these traits.
David
Thu Sep 17 2009 15:09
I want to make it clear that I am in no way approving of Ryan Jenkin's actions. Murder is and will never be excusable or acceptable in our society.

But has anyone thought that maybe both of these people together were such a volatile combination that some type of violence was destined to erupt? As mentally disturbed as Ryan Jenkins may be, it seems that Jasmine Fiore's promiscuous and verbally abusive behavior exhibited signs of mental disturbance too. The vanity, narcissism, delusions of grandeur, impulsivity, and uncontrollable anger, all point to bigger issues with the two.

Again not trying to excuse his actions, but when a relationship between two equally disturbed people is formed the result is usually tragic.

NiceGuy
Thu Sep 17 2009 13:03
To me it seems that the people who say things like "are there any good guys left?" or "all guys are jerks/predators/evil sex-crazed animals" are probably looking in the wrong places. Yes, there are evil people. Yes, there are sick nutjobs out there that will do horrible things and attack people from behind bushes in the dark of night or from back alleys. But you know what? There are plenty of nice guys in this world. There are plenty of nice girls in this world. It would be totally unfair of me to say that all girls are crazy sluts wouldn't it? Then why should it not be unfair to generalize that all guys are bad? From my experience it would seem that anyone with at least half a brain and some self respect would know to keep themselves out of situations where things could go wrong. Karen, I am truly sorry for what you went through and am happy that you found the strength to come forward and share your story, but to those of you agruing that guys are evil and claim that you were raped when the fact is that you went out, got drunk, and then took a guy home with you and regretted it in the morning, you should be ashamed. It is you who are taking advantage of the double-standard society has made and it is the guys who fall victim to the system in cases like that. You think a guy could claim rape if he did that and regretted it the next morning? Hardly. If a guy forces himself on you, attacks you, beats you, rapes you, then yes, he is an animal and deserves to be castrated, I will totally agree with that. What I don't agree with is the socially grey area where it usually ends up being the guys fault when both people are contributing to whatever actions go on.
Chris
Thu Sep 17 2009 09:20
Ah - I take something back.... NO ONE deserves bad treatment (not just women), but if one taunts someone else or put themselves in dangerous/questionable situations, odds increase for something undesirable to happen. Got to use your brain and listen to others. As I grew older (53 now), I learned why my parents told me not to do stuff, and found it's better to learn from other people's mistakes.
Chris
Thu Sep 17 2009 09:13
Of course people shouldn't hurt each other, but they do. Good advice is "walk circumspectly and be aware of your surroundings" - that's why groups tell women to get out of bad relationships (first time the "man" hits them), carry pepper spray/take self defense courses, etc. The author isn't to blame for what happened to her, but in hindsight, but any 20 year old guy hanging out with a 14 year old probably has issues - and the author should pass this info to other 14-yr olds. A 14-year old wouldn't know better, but that's why fathers get upset when young daughters hang around with college men, and why there are statutory rape laws. Only the perp is to blame for violence, but one still has to be careful. Fiore had enough experience with such guys and hadn't suffered repercussions, but her choices/the lifestyle finally caught up with her. Jenkins was a psychopath and Fiore should have stayed away from him after he shoved her in the pool (she did for a while, but went back to him - alcohol affects judgement). She DID NOT deserve to die for her mistake (nor does any women deserve bad treatment), but odds for something bad happening were there. This is not a perfect world. Don't be paranoid, but be careful.
JadeStar
Thu Sep 17 2009 00:36
"What's really disturbing is how women think flirting with 10 ego maniacs at the same time has no repercussions."

What's really disturbing is how men think being an ego-maniac in the first place, and then acting violently without inhibition somehow alleviates them of responsibility.

This lion-and-gazelle nonsense is exactly that... The metaphor outright admits to a perceived predator-prey relationship! It's amazing how the same men who will make this metaphor will then say that women are "playing" victims... NO, these men are "playing" predators!

Someone mentioned that the author should have left/prosecuted immediately "after the first time she was raped".... as if rape isn't something that completely destroys the victim's notions of their own rights and abilities while simultaneously scaring them into compliance. It's a psychological attack as much as it's a physical one, and it pointedly allows the abuser to take *control* over the victim. He might as well have hooked her on heroine against her will, and you certainly wouldn't be arguing on the basis of a fully-conscientious victim in that case, so why argue it here?

Carolyn
Wed Sep 16 2009 19:39
As a high school teacher, I see all too often the effects of attention from the right boy being given to a young girl. 14 years old and she should have known better? What the hell were you doing at 14? We you fully aware of the right and wrong way to pursue a relationship? Did you understand all the implications of your behaviors when you were 14 years old? Doubtful.

Bottom line is this - no one deserves to be taken advantage of, regardless of their age or gender. I don't understand why that is so difficult to teach people. In life, there are always going to be people who want to abuse and take advantage of others...but when you blame the victim of that abuse and say they should have known better, you make it seem as though there are some instances when the abusive behavior is acceptable. It's never acceptable - I don't care what you say or how you try to justify it.

If the tables were turned and women had the upper hand of strength... if men were historically abused and raped by females...if you had to walk one step in a woman's place...you might feel differently about blaming women for falling prey to the abusive turns of men.

I will say this...not all men are like that... there are still some good men in the world.

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