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Obama­: yes to student loans, debt

Forum columnist

Published: Tuesday, February 2, 2010

Updated: Wednesday, February 3, 2010 01:02

Things are bad.

So bad, President Obama has all but skipped the “I’m sorry, I’ll change” step to the “I’ll get you everything you’ve ever wanted” stage.

Obama outlined one of his big initiatives in his State of the Union speech last week, a reform of student loan forgiveness.

Now, student loans borrowers are required to pay 15 percent of their discretionary income toward their debts, and the debts can be forgiven after 25 years.

Under the president’s proposal, the amount of discretionary income required toward the loans would decrease to 10 percent. After 20 years, the loans would be forgiven. It will also be forgiven if the borrower works 10 years in public service.    

While this initiative may sound great, there are a few problems with this proposal.

Let’s start with the most obvious.

It promotes students taking out the maximum amount of loans.

I have an extremely handsome and intelligent friend (wink, wink) who hasn’t always used his student loan money for tuition and living expenses.

At times, he’s used it to fund his growing collection of video games, and at one point, a minor substance abuse problem.

As I’ve seen my own debt increase, I’ve become a more cautious borrower.

I’ll attend law school next fall, and I made a pact with myself to take out the minimum amount of student loans possible. Now why wouldn’t I borrow the farm and get a government job — i.e. public service — if this comes to pass?

Others will also forgo trying to find employment and attend graduate school, where the cost of tuition is higher, as is the percentage of those borrowing.

In 2003-2004, 65 percent of graduate students borrowed money compared to about 35 percent of undergraduate students, according to a U.S. Department of Education report.

Here’s another problem.

There are two groups of people who will unfairly shoulder this debt — those who found a way to fund their own education and those who simply decided not to attend.

More than 72 percent of Americans don’t hold a bachelor’s degree, according to a U.S. Census Bureau report released last January.

We’re also unwittingly punishing a disproportionate population of the country. That same report shows the two minority groups with the fewest college graduates are African Americans and Hispanics.

Earning a college degree is an investment in one’s self that yields a substantial increase in earnings over one’s lifetime, a higher quality of living and a longer lifespan.

“In the United States of America, no one should go broke because they chose to go to college,” Obama said.

No, they shouldn’t.

But they’re not entitled to have those who didn’t choose to take out student loans pay them back.

Mr. President, how else do you plan to pander to the American people, use your office to get a college football playoff?

Scott D’Amico is a political science and sports media senior.

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18 comments

Anonymous
Fri Feb 12 2010 02:20
this article sucked
Linda
Wed Feb 10 2010 15:52
Actually, anonymous, you did say that the government spends money on NASA, the military, and NCLB, so why are we fighting other funding? Why don't you read what you wrote again? I'm saying money should never be a snowball effect. Yeah, this money does break our bank in the long run. All these "little" costs add up, and we should consider seriously every major proposal, such as this one.

And you're flat wrong about me. But I'm glad you feel you have the world so figured out that you can make assumptions about a person merely because they're fiscally responsible. I'm not going to blurt my personal life on here, but you have NO idea what I've been through or where I'm from--so don't pretend you do.

And you don't think people will take this as an opportunity to take more out in college loans? If not, you're naive. It's one more way for people to abuse the system. Again, costs are growing, but that doesn't matter, right?

Furthermore, if I'm to trust what you say, that--at the rate people are taking out loans RIGHT NOW--it's $20.00 per person--well, yeah, I'd have to say no. It isn't worth it. Those kids in poverty-stricken so glibly referenced are the ones who are goign to have to pay for this, every single one of them. You're right. They're not going to college, with or without this program. And they'll pay. For my education. For yours. No, I'm not comfortable asking them to do that. And you shouldn't be either.

Maybe you should start taking the responsibility on your own back rather than saying, "well, if I just ask every person on the street to help me $20 here and $20 there," then it doesn't matter. To you, relatively speaking, it may not be much money. But it is to others.

Finally, do you think this program is going to bring more people into the hard sciences? That's ridiculous. There's not even a correlation there. Do I think we should encourage more students to study science and math? Sure! Sounds great! Why aren't they doing it now? Why are we having a hard time getting people into those fields? I know! I bet it's because we're giving loans out willy nilly and letting people do whatever they want. I can't imagine they'd rather make music or sing or philosophize than doing hard science. You give me a program that can attract people to the sciences, and I'll support it:. This isn't it, though. This is throwing money out there, and hoping progress (which hasn't happened yet) will. I don't buy hope or throwing money into hope. I buy results (and I buy them with my own money).

Anonymous
Mon Feb 8 2010 15:56
Quoted from Computer Science: "What kind of degrees are these people getting anyway? What kind of graduate degrees? Why don't we fund more of you journalism majors? There just aren't enough of you. Or art studio majors. I bet we need more of those. People just can't manage without a graduate degree. They can't dirty their hands with actual work. Glad to know I'm footing the bill for other people's "art." "

Oh, I didn't know computer science was a down-in-the-field, dirty kind of job...

Anonymous
Mon Feb 8 2010 11:46
Linda—I agree with you that spending without a conscience is a stupid idea, but I’m not arguing that we should, and if you re-read my post you’ll see that I wasn’t. Furthermore, I never said “hey, what the hell, we’ve already spent ___ much money, let’s just spend a little more.” And frankly, I’m sick of people like you (and democrats and republicans) falling back on that tired old argument whenever someone proposes spending money to improve our situation, and (here’s the important part) making reference to other spenditures in order to put things into perspective for those who, as in the previous posts I was originally responding to, seem to think that 7.5 billion from a multi-trillion dollar budget is going to break the bank. Additionally, I never said the author was for military spending or NASA; I was just using those examples to put this plan into perspective.
On your other points: Good for you that you got out of OSU without any loans. The fact that it took you 7 (or 6) years tells me nothing, and while I hardly believe it was ONLY because you took it slowly to pay out of pocket, that’s not the issue. The issue is your incredible naiveté. Chances are you come from a low-middle income home with both parents working, are white, and came through the American education system. Open your eyes, girl. What if you come from a poverty-laden part of New York City, or the trailer part outside of Salt Lake City, or live in a one bedroom apartment with 12 siblings in Minneapolis and only mom or dad is around? You think you’ll have the luxury of all the things you enjoy/have enjoyed? Hell no. Quit thinking pseudo-rural Oklahoma is America. If you were able to get out of OSU without any debt, THIS BILL IS NOT FOR YOU. It’s for those who DON’T go to college because they know they would never be able to pay the loan payments, and whose brains are subsequently wasted. And it is to entice the best and the brightest (because who wouldn’t want to see their loans forgiven after 10 years instead of 20) to public service, something we dearly need.
This bill will cost 7.5 billion dollars. That’s 20 bucks for every American. You don’t think a 20 dollar investment is worth, five years down the road, revitalizing American competitiveness in math and the sciences, and allowing us to regain the market shares in technology and hard sciences that we have been bleeding for the last 8 goddamn years to the Germans, Chinese, Japan and India? I don’t care if the American family with 3 kids has to wait six months to add a Wii to their Xbox and PS3 collection to pay the hundred dollars they would contribute to this bill, and I don’t care if Wall Street Brokers X has to forego his 3 dollar latte every morning for a week. Let’s be real people.
Anonymous
Mon Feb 8 2010 00:31
People don't need graduate school. They want it. Let's separate our needs from our wants for once.
Computer Science
Mon Feb 8 2010 00:20
What kind of degrees are these people getting anyway? What kind of graduate degrees? Why don't we fund more of you journalism majors? There just aren't enough of you. Or art studio majors. I bet we need more of those. People just can't manage without a graduate degree. They can't dirty their hands with actual work. Glad to know I'm footing the bill for other people's "art."
Linda
Mon Feb 8 2010 00:16
Why is it that when there are arguments about spending people say this: well, we've already spent so much money on this one thing, why does it matter if we spend more on something else? That's arguing that you're so terribly hard up in credit card debt that you should just go get another one, right? Let's not start being responsible or anything. This article NEVER mentioned anything about excessive military spending, so why are you assuming the author is for that? Moreover, why are you assuming that the two have anything in common? Spending without a conscience is a problem, no matter the issue at hand.

College is great--and I agree that there's nothing more valuable than an education. But perhaps we should start being responsible about getting one. Let's work and go to school (like I have.) It's hard, but--guess what--I have no student loans. It's taken me longer, but it's worth it. I don't expect others to foot my bill. And I think this is the type of education I'd like to pass on to my children. I don't have rich parents, and I don't expect the government to support me. I've been to community college, and I got here, proudly, a year and a half ago. And I'm PROUD to be here at OSU, proud to be debt free, too. Yeah, it's not easy, but it's worth it. Perhaps instead of being a proponent of taking for a good cause, we should start promoting that good cause AS WELL AS the hard work it takes to get there and achieve the accolades of it. Both are parts of the college learning experience, or they should be. Fiscal education, learning how to manage money in the real world without relying on anyone, is just as valuable as any course you'll take here. It may be more.

I'm 25, and I'll be graduating this summer. I'm not ashamed of it taking me longer than people who took out loans. I'm happy. It was hard, but worth it. And I fully believe my education means so much more to me than people I see buying who knows what with their loan money every semester.

Anonymous
Sun Feb 7 2010 19:08
This is ridiculous. We spent 80 billion dollars INITIALLY to fund what pretty much everyone now agrees was a worthless and increasingly troublesome military action in Iraq and Afghanistan. Who knows what that figure has grown to at this point. As someone mentioned earlier--NASA's budget is about 20 billion dollars every year, which amounts to about one half of one percent of the budget. I could find a hundred more figures like these. 7.5 billion is a PITTANCE to pay to make the United States more competitive internationally, and easily the most sound investment in our education system for the last decade (uhh, anyone remember No Child Left Behind and how much that debacle cost, with no results?). It equals less than .15 of one percent of the FY budget for 2011. You think that's not worth it? Unless you are really a moron (though from reading your previous OpEds, and your supposedly disarming admittance of drug addiction and poor debt choice that really only shows that you can't make smart decisions, I am tempted to say you are) you realize this is a smart thing to do. So why in the world are you attacking the plan?? Hmmmm, I wonder. Could it be that you simply take what the conservative pundits, i.e. FOX and their moronic affiliates, are saying and parrot it back in a 175 word article? I've been reading your columns for a long time, and refrained from posting even when it is more clear than usual that you are full of crap, and dude, it is abundantly clear from your attack on initiatives like this that you're basically an empty sack that opens up when Glenn Beck or Pappa O'Reilly open their mouths. Get a life.

To you congratulators in this thread--you are no better. Instead of blindly trusting what mommy and daddy told you to believe while growing up, try thinking on your own. By this article's own admittance (and, c'mon, the fact that we are in Oklahoma) chances are pretty good your parents are in that 72% without a BA, proving they, too, are incapable of independent and original thought.

Anonymous
Fri Feb 5 2010 01:17
This is the first opinion piece that the Daily O'Pinion has printed that's even relevant to students in a loooooong time.
Anonymous
Thu Feb 4 2010 02:01
btw, the 72% of citizens you mentioned in your article who don't have a college degree pay very little (if anything) in taxes. (their income tends to be such that they don't shoulder much of the tax burden) it is precisely those who went to college and/or graduate school who pay the bulk of taxes. Unfortunately, times have changed and college/grad school costs have skyrocketed ... those who are graduating today face challenges that those who graduated 15-30 years ago did not face.
Anonymous
Thu Feb 4 2010 01:55
I have to respectfully disagree. Subsidizing higher education is better for our country as a whole. this proposal will cost 7.5$ billion over 10 years (possibly more if more people attend graduate school). The cost of higher education is such that only the truly RICH can afford it, those who are middle class or even upper middle class are very anxious about going to grad school b/c no one WANTS to come out with 100k+ in debt @ 7.5+% interest. (who else can afford 30k+ per year in tuition + living expenses, besides the wealthy?). In theory, once the economy stabilizes, a more educated population can find more competitive jobs, earn more money and pay more into the tax pool, offsetting the subsidies the gov. is providing for higher-education through loan forgiveness/subsidy. Also, Income-Based-Repayment doesn't necessarily mean that people who do well with their degree get a free ride -- if someone starts making more money, there payments will go up commensurately.

Our gov. spends billions building schools and training militaries of foreign nations, spending tens of billions to go to space, i think it is totally fair for them to spend a few billion to provide students who want to goto graduate school
some degree of safety net when it comes to worrying about student loans.
Qualified tuition + expenses are generally well controlled. The formula is simple - it is tuition + minimal cost of living in a particular location. Perhaps people should be asked to document their living expenses (rent, gas, etc...) to prevent some of the exploitation you encountered.

Anonymous
Wed Feb 3 2010 13:46
I went to college because I wanted more out of life. A better future for me and my children. I am now so much in debt and no future. It's not that I didn't try to pay back, it was the amounts, food and shelter out wayed the need to pay it back.....now the children are gone, I have a job, but still can't pay all of it back..What do I do?
Zoe
Wed Feb 3 2010 11:53
Common sense rules again. Great article.

BTW, I think it's also great you're honest. Will has nothing to say to counter your argument, so he's just attacking you personally.

Anonymous
Wed Feb 3 2010 11:50
"former" drug user
Will Gorman
Wed Feb 3 2010 11:48
Hey, former drug user, don't tell me about good decisions.
Travis
Wed Feb 3 2010 11:46
I'm sick of no one seeing the consequences of what they do. Thanks for writing something relevant and true for once in our newspaper.
Cara
Wed Feb 3 2010 11:44
You still going to take out the minimum?
Larry
Wed Feb 3 2010 11:43
Amen! I'm glad someone recognizes that giving people things for free isn't going to help! It's going to increase our federal deficit more. People are lazy and expect other people to have to pay for what they have. I'm tired of it. I shouldn't have to pay for anyone else, and no one else should have to pay for me.






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